Sunday, August 27, 2006
Citizen Military Automatics - big, solid, and colorful!
These military automatic watches use the Miyota 8200 mentioned in my previous blog entry. The case has a nice 40mm diameter. It looks much more prominent and cheerful when compared to similar military design from Seiko. The crown is not of screw-down type and it is unsigned. The rated water resistance is 100 meter. The feel of the casing is heavy and solid. The crystal is slightly domed. It is mineral. All hands and the numeral on the dial have blue lume. Yes, that includes the second hand. The lume is on the small rectangular shape on the second hand. This reminds me of certain Ball model.
As you can see from the picture, there are many colors to choose from. I’m particularly fond of the camouflage one (NH7350-03YT). In real life, the strap appears a little bit silky and shiny (as oppose from matt that is typically expected of canvas). The shine is quite subtle.
There is also a bracelet version. I personally think the colored straps are more cheerful and fun. It is perfect as a traveling or outdoor watch.
Note: For more information about the Miyota 8200 movement. Please read my previous entry.
Specification
Diameter: 40mm (excluding crown)
Thickness: 11mm
Case: Stainless steel (brushed finish)
Crystal: Domed mineral
Crown: Not screw down. Crown unsigned.
Water resistance: 100m
Price: Approx USD100
Saturday, August 26, 2006
Miyota – Real hybrid (manual wind and auto)?
I have known about the presence of Citizen automatic watches for a long time – ever since I started to get interested in watches. However, I have never get down to finding more about them. My first automatic watch was a Seiko diver.
My latest purchase was a Swatch automatic with ETA 2842. I’m in the market for a sporty or action watch. Citizen does have some models that appeal to me. That is when I started to find out more about this brand.
The newer Citizen automatics are using the Miyota 8200 or 8203 movement. Miyota is a subsidiary of Citizen. They are one of the largest movement makers of the world. They supply movements to many other brands.
The Miyota automatic movements, like many ETA automatic movements, support manual winding in addition to rotor winding. However, with the ETA movements, it is not recommended to use the manual winding frequently. It is only recommended to use the manual winding to start the second hand when there is no power reserve and the watch has stopped. This is to avoid causing tension and wear to the movement.
There is no such restriction for the Miyota movement it seems. Some sources suggest winding it between 20 to 30 turns everyday. The rest of the winding will be taken cared of by the rotor when the wearer wears the watch. Apparently, there is a clutch to prevent over-wound. Citizen claims that winding 40 turns will get it fully wound. The rotors in these Miyota movements are uni-directional but there is no complain of winding efficiency.
So it seems the Miyota 8200 has the best of both worlds. It is perfect for people who keep several mechanical watches. One just needs to wind it every morning and it will keep on running without having to wear it.
8200
Jewel count: 21
Diameter : 25.6mm
Height: 5.32mm
VPH: 21600
Quick-set day and dateNon hacking
Friday, August 25, 2006
Citizen and Ball - Deja Vu???
When I saw the Citizen JT3000-59E I can't help but noticing the similiarity to some models from Ball watch. The Citizen JT3000-59E is a model under the Promaster Land series. It is a quartz watch (non Eco-drive) with analog and digital display.
As you can see from the picture the numerals on the watch look almost identical to certain Ball models at first glance. Of course, the Ball uses microgas for illumination whereas the Citizen uses lume.
There is huge difference in prices too. The entry model of Ball watch costs about twice the Citizen JT3000-59E. The one pictured above is a chronometer and should cost even more.
There is no basis for comparison between these two watches. Just can't help but notice the stricking similarities (at first glance) in dial design.
Monday, August 21, 2006
Citizen Millitary watch - another good value watch
While browsing the Citizen USA Web site, I can't help but am attracted by this charming millitary watch. It met my criteria for simplicity, legible dial, and practicality.
Model Number: BM8180-03E
Power reserve: 180 days
Water resistance: 100 meter
Diameter: 37mm (excluding crown) 40.2mm (including crown)
height: 9mm
Case: Screw-back
Crystal: Mineral
Crown: Non screw-down.
Price: USD70 approximately
I will update this entry when I find out more about this watch.
Friday, August 18, 2006
Nighthawk - what a beauty!
I saw this Citizen Nighthawk for the first time a few nights ago. I was so captivated by it's beauty. Usually I don't like complex dials but this one totally got to me. I later found out there are actually quite a number of variants. There is the black dial (like pictured below), black dial with white rim, and brown dial. Here is the spec of this watch:
Movement: B877
Power reserve: 180 Days on full charge
Case: PVD coated stainless steel
Case Back: Screw-down type.
Diameter: 42.5mm / 12.5mm
Crown: Screw-down (signed)
Crystal: anti-glare mineral crystal
Water Resistance: 200meter/660feet
The B877 is an in-house movement. It is powered by solar energy (Citizen Eco-drive technology). On a full charge, it can run for 180 days. The watch can be charge under most lighting - office light, outdoor natural light, desk lamp, etc.
It also supports a second timezone. The second timezone (24hour hand) can be adjusted independently. The hour hand (12hour hand) can be adjusted independently - adjust directly the hour hand and NOT the minute hand. This is useful when crossing timezone. One needs to adjust only the 12hour hand to the local time. This is much better than the Ronda 515.24H quartz movement used in the Victorinox Infantry 2nd Time Zone watch where the 12hour hand cannot be adjusted on its own (must adjust the minute hand to adjust the hour hand).
The PVD coated version of Nighthawk with bracelet (also PVD) costs about USD100 more than the Victorinox Infantry 2nd Time Zone (leather strap). The built of the Nighthawk surpasses that of the Victorinox. It is also PVD coated (there is also a stainless steel version, and titanium version). Its built feels on par with watches costing much more than its price.
It even comes with an inner rotating bezel with the E6B pilots scale. This scale allows calculations like the time to cover a certain distance if the plane is travelling at a certain speed (knot). The fuel consumption given the amount it takes to cover a certain distance and total distance. It can also be used for fraction multiply and division. For all the possible calculations, please read the 'Setting Manual' for this watch on the www.citizenwatch.com.
I noticed this difference between the actual watch that I saw and handled as compared to the one on the official Website (and also on ebay). The difference is the 'NIGHTHAWK' word on the dial and the lack of it on the watch that I saw (also some on ebay). I wonder if this is because there is restriction for using the name 'NIGHTHAWK' in certain countries. I will update this entry when I know more.
Update: The version with 'NIGHTHAWK' on dial is for United States and European countries. The version without is for the rest of the world. Other than this, there should be no difference between the two.
Links
Nice article about the Citizen Eco-drive movement [http://www.geocities.com/watch_crazy/ecodrive/ecodrive.htm]
Sunday, August 13, 2006
Poljot Aviator, Aviator, what is the difference?
One is branded a 'Poljot - Aviator', while the other is branded 'Aviator'. The logo is different too. The first one is rated at 100 meter water resistance, while the second one 50 meter. This seems to suggest that the Poljot branded one has screw-down crown, while the other one does not have.
Actually, based on other people's experience, it is better to not have screw-down crown for a manual wind watch. It is a nuissance. Imagine having to unscrew the crown for winding everyday. This can also contribute to wear and tear of the thread.
I read somewhere that after Volmax bought the First Moscow Watch Factory, they created different brands. The brand Poljot is sold exclusively in Russia, while the brand Aviator, Buran, and Sturmanskie is sold outside of Russia. So I think maybe the first watch pictured above is the Russian version while the second one is for market outside Russia.
There is however, another theory. The Poljot branded one may be an old stock. It is made before the demise of the First Moscow Watch Factory. The second one is made after the factory is bought over by Volmax in around 2004. Both watches are made in Moscow by the same factory and possibly same bunch of employees. It is said that the Volmax has increased the QC somewhat. I got this knowledge from a fellow forummer in watchuseek.com. The prices of these watches are identical.
Wednesday, August 09, 2006
Unitas 6497 movement = humongous watch?
One watch using this movement, however, is at a resonable diameter of 40mm. It is a model from Trias.
The model name is Trias Apollo. There are two dial colors to choose from (white or black).
Movement: Unitas 6497
Case: Stainless Steel (polished), 40mm diameter (w/o crown), 12mm thick, see-through back
Crystal: Hardened mineral
Water Resistance: 50meter
The Unitas 6497 movement is selling for USD75 on ofrei.com.
Jewel: 17
Power Reserve: 46 hour
Movement size: 36.6mm diameter, 4.5mm height
Beat: 18,000 per hour
The official Trias Web site [link]
This entry will be updated as new information is available.
Update: I have been trying to find other watches using this movement but with a diameter at 40mm or smaller. So far, no luck. Many brands use this movement. For example, Davosa, Steinhart, and so on. However, their diameter usually starts at 42mm and onwards.
Sunday, August 06, 2006
Affordable mechanical pilot watches.
This is selling online for USD150 plus shipping and handling.
Poljot Aviator
Model: #2614-1225481
Movement: Poljot 2614
Case: Solid stainless steel, 40 mm diameter (w/o crown) x 12 mm thick, screw down back.
Crystal: Mineral
Water Resistance: 50m
The Poljot 2614 has 17 jewels. It is hand-wound with date function. It is a 21,600 vph movement. Some people claimed it is possible to adjust the movement to about +2 or +3 sec a day. New, un-adjusted movement is between -20 to +40 sec a day. Power reserve is 38 hours after a full wind (sometimes quoted as 42 hours). The movement can be wound clockwise or counter-clockwise. There is no quick set date. To adjust the date, pull the crown to second position, then turn clockwise to adjust the time. The change in date happens in an instant between +-5 mins midnight.
Update: I went to see this watch at a local watch gallery. The salesgirl told me that there is no screw-down crown. So this watch is splash proof only. Do not use this watch during shower and swimming. I also found out from forum that in order to speed up the process of repeatedly advancing the date, it is possible to set the time back and forth between 20.00 and 24.00. I'm trying to understand, at this moment, from other forummers how they deal with the date setting issue. Also, I want to know whether it is safe to set the time back and forth for this particular movement.
Manual for watch equiped with Poljot 2614 [link]
The Poljot Brand
The Poljot brand belongs to the First Moscow Watch Factory. It has a colorful history dating back to the USSR era. That is more than 70 years of history. The watch factory was started by the acquisition of two watch manufacturers in the United States. The tools and equipments of these two manufacturers were shipped to Moscow. Some of the staff were relocated to Moscow too. There, they transferred their skill to the staffs of First Moscow Watch Factory.
In 2004, the First Moscow Watch Factory dissolved. It was sold to Volmax. Volmax is actually started by some previous First Moscow Watch Factory executives. Today, certain Poljot models are also manufactured in Kiev, Ukraine by Kiev Watch Factory and in Hong Kong by Winsky International, Inc.
The Poljot brand is only sold in Russia. Internationally, they were marketed as Aviator (like the one pictured above), Buran, and Shturmanskie. However, the eStore on the official Poljot Web site will be operational soon. Some watches are already available in the catalogue, eventhough purchase is not possible until they get the payment gateway thingy settled. The Poljot branded watches are available for purchase via the eStore. For example, the following humongous (45mm diameter) manual wind:
For detailed information, please read the Poljot entry in Wikipedia [link]
For milestones and timeline, please read the Poljot official Web site [link]
FORTIS Flieger Automatic selling for approximate USD440.
Fortis Flieger
Model: 595.10.41L
Movement: ETA 2824-2
Case: 40mm stainless steel
Water Resistance: 200m
The ETA 2824-2 movement is a proven workhorse. It is a 28K high beat movement with date function.
Saturday, August 05, 2006
Bauhaus design... Totally in love with it!
My next watch is likely to be a Bauhaus design. There are more than one brand implementing this design.
I have come across a watch parts seller selling the stick hands (like above) for USD2!
Maybe I can consider getting an old Longines or Omega manual wind watch from ebay, take out the old dial, and replace it with a spanking new Bauhaus design dial and hands. I'll update this post as I find out more about the viability of this option. :)
What watch do you wear when you are feeling down?
Do they make a watch with a frown face on the dial? I bet they do. Feel free to comment and maybe post a picture of watches you are wearing when you are feeling down. Maybe I can take cover under my hobby for a while.
Replies that I got:
Yes Cozmo
Thursday, August 03, 2006
Swatch automatic, what movement?
Movement: ETA 2842
Beat: 21,600
Jewels: 21
Hacking: No
Marking on the movement: 2842 V8AH2
Marking on the rotor: Swatch Irony automatic TWENTY-ONE 21 JEWELS SWISS
Marking on the case: V8 612 STAINLESS STEEL
The movement is the cheapest in the ETA automatic movement line-up. It is unfinished. Some people say it is built exclusively for Swatch. As far as I know, both ETA and Swatch belongs to the Swatch Group.
The ETA 2842 movement can be adjusted for accuracy through the regulator. However, it is not of the fine Etachron regulator found on more expensive movement. Nevertheless, people have reported being able to adjust the movement to within +/-10 seconds per day. The standard for chronometer is +/-6 seconds per day.
Service is recommended every 3-5 years. The service will involve cleaning and oiling. Estimation of the cost will be about half the price of the watch. The movement is expected to last if serviced.
Here is a detailed article about the finishing and performance of ETA 2842 in a Swatch skeleton watch. This is a 23 jewels version though.
[link]
Wednesday, August 02, 2006
How to take care of leather strap
Brown embossed leather strap
Excessive humid may cause mildewing on leather. Excessive dryness, on the other hand, may cause cracking. This happens when the leather lost its natural lubricant. There is no use buying water-resistant leather because these most likely will not work. It is impossible to cover all the pores on the leather. Leather, like your skin, needs to breath. Follow these instructions to clean your leather strap.
Cleaning with Water
Wipe gently with damp cloth. Followed by drying with clean cloth. After that, air dry the leather overnight. Do not at any time expose leather to heat. Don't use hair dyer or put it under the sun.
Cleaning with Soap
Soap the leather strap with soft soap. Wash off with clean water. Wipe dry with a piece of clean cloth. Leave the leather strap to air dry overnight. Do not use heat to dry leather.
Tuesday, August 01, 2006
My quest for a dress watch
For the past month, I have been itching to get a dress watch. The vanity in me decided that I have been looking too frugal wearing the Casio to everywhere, even my office. There starts my exciting quest for a new dress watch...
At first, I my attention was drawn to the automatic models from Swatch. All of them uses the ETA 2842 movement. This is movement keeps time and performed good considering the price. Quite a number of models are skeleton watches. In my opinion, if 90 percent of the dial is skeleton, it is distracting and does not fulfil my expectation of being able to tell the time by a glance. There is however, a quite dressy and low profile model. It is the Noir De Noir in the Irony range. The model is YAS402. It is released in 1999, Swatch Spring Summer Collection. The dial is black. The original strap is black leather too. The watch looks a bit monotonous. The crystal is made of Hesalite (acrylic) like material. It has the same properties as a Hesalite in the sense that scratches can be polished out. The dial is black and the hour marks are straight bars. The hands are similar to the Omega Seamasters (sharp pointy). I like this hand design. The casing is made of steel and the diameter is 37mm. The price of this watch is about USD120. This watch does not attract me fatally but it does has certain qualities that I like. The see-through back with the "Swatch Irony" logo on the rotor is kind of cute too. However, the other watches that I look at later on pushed this watch to the fringe.
Swatch Irony Automatic
ETA 2842 movement
The crown is unsigned
Swatch signed buckle
The next dress watch that caught my eye was the Longines Conquest (model L1.611.4.75.2) [link]. It is a replica of an old model. The traditional, simple, nostalgic and effective design appeals to me. I know there are tons of watches like this on auction sites. I'm not going to consider those because I want something that works straight away. I don't have time to send a watch in for servicing and wait. I managed to talk to the sales person and actually held the watch in my hands. The built was pretty good. I asked the sales person what is the material of the crystal. He didn't know exactly what the material it is but he said it is not scratch resistant. Any scratches can be polished away, "just don't expect it to look like new afterwards", is what he said. Being a curious person, I went on to the Net and forums, and found out that the material is actually Hesalite. This material was popular in the 60s because it doesn't break into hundreds of pieces when after a heavy blow. Similar material was used in the first moon watch because it's very dangerous to have glass breaking into hundreds of tiny pieces in space. However, in normal day to day use, Hesalite is considered not ideal, especially on a watch with a recommended price of almost USD1000. Any scratches on a USD1000 watch will definitely upset the owner, no matter how historically correct the replica is.
I also did some researching on the movement of this watch. Longines call it "Longines L633". In actual fact, it is base on ETA 2824/2. A reliable but common movement used by many luxury brands, including Ball, Oris, Tag Heuer, Hamilton, Zeno, and so on. The ETA 2824/2 can be made into different finishes. The finishing will dictact the final price. I read that it can be sourced for as low as USD29 a piece in wholesale. So, what Longines did to this common base movement to warrant such a high premium in the price they charge? The most obvious is probably the Longines logo on the rotor. I was told that brand names that source movement from ETA may refinish, lube, or modify certain parts. This kind of extra work, if any, is not documented. What goes on in the transformation from ETA 2824/2 to Longines L633 to warrant such a price tag? It may very well be that the only work is to put a logo on the rotor and fit the movement into the watch. Who knows? It is therefore, base on blind faith that Longines, or any luxury brand that uses ETA and charge a high price, did something valuable to the base movement to warrant the premium.
The next watch to caught my eye is the Ball Fireman [link]. This watch is of military design. The dial is simple and effective. One selling point for a Ball watch is that it uses a special illumination material on the dial. It is called microgas and it is much brighter than the typical lume. Ball claims it to last for 25 years. The design of this watch is simple. The case is made of stainless steel. Available in 32mm, 40mm, 43mm diameter. It has an embossed train on the back. The crystal is sapphire (anti-reflective convex), scratch resistant, and almost as hard as diamond. It is water resistant to 100m. The specification also says it is shock resistant to 5000G and anti-magnetic to 4800A/m. I later found out that 4800A/m is actually a very low figure for anti-magnetism. I really have no complain at all about the built of this watch.
The movement is, again, the ETA 2824/2. Ball didn't assign its own number to this movement. Well, at least Ball is straight forward in this regard. The price is close to USD700. If you look at the built of the watch you will see that it is more heavily built than the Longines. At a lower price than Longines, it represents a better value. Of course, Logines is more dressy and the Ball is leaning slightly towards sport or active. This is a watch to be shortlisted.
I continued looking and the next watch to caught my attention was the Tag Heuer Carrera Automatic (model WV211A.FC6203) [link]. This watch, again, has clean and effective design. It has this simplicity elegance. With a leather strap it looks very pleasant indeed. As oppose to the previous two watches, this watch has a see-through Sapphire crystal back. This is very cute indeed. The crystal is made of Sapphire. The diameter is 39mm. The casing is polished steel and it is water resistant to 50 meter.
The movement is "TagHeuer Calibre 5". Upon further digging, the base movement is again ETA 2824/2. The price of this watch is almost USD1450. Again, I'm puzzled why this watch, which I think cost roughly the same to make as the Longines, is much more expensive. Upon further digging, I think it boils down to the brand name and the buyer is paying for celebrity endorsement and glossy magazine advertisements. I decided not to short list this watch. The only rational and logical reason for buying this is to satisfy one's ego.
And my quest continues...
I later on learned that Sandoz is a very value buy [link]. It uses, yes, you guess it, the ETA movement. A model with the ETA 2824/2 movement, Sapphire crystal, water resistant to 30 meter and steel bracelet costs about USD229. The only problem being I think the design is a bit old fashioned for me. This is very good value but I decided not to short list this watch because of asthetic reason.
The next watch that caugt my attention is very special indeed. It has a special place in my heart. It is the Stowa Antea [link]. Stowa is a German brand. It is only sold on the Internet. The design of this watch is very clean, simple, and effective. It is plain yet special. It has a see through back with elaborate carving on the rim. The casing is stainless steel 316L, polished, and the diameter is 39mm. There are various add on options too. For example, you can change the hands to blue, you can change some screws in the movement to blue, and you can even purchase a chronometer certified movement. Of course, these options will add on to the base price.
The movement of this watch, again, is the ETA 2824/2. Stowa has been forthright about this. There is no shame about this. ETA 2824/2 is a reliable movement. It's a more honorable thing to do than to pass the movement off as something else. It is also a more honorable thing to do than to build in-house but shoddy movements. The price of this watch is EUR299 (about USD380). This watch is added to my short list.
The search continues and the next watch to caught my attention is the Victorinox Airboss Mach 5 GMT watch [link]. This watch has an additional hand. This additional hand is a 24 hour hand. It points to the hour in the another time zone. The inner bezel has city names. To know the time in a city, just align the city name to the arrow at 12 o'clock and read where the 24 hour hand is pointing. Very interesting and potentially useful. Especially for timing when an important announcement is going to be made in another financial centre.
The build quality of Victorinox feels good. I especially like their leather strap. It looks lush. It has a see-through back. Water resist to 100 meter and has Sapphire crystal. The diameter of this watch is approximately 39mm-40mm.
Victorinox however, put little information on their official Web site. Basic information like the diameter is omitted. Movement model number is also not specified. I did some digging and found out that the movement is again an ETA. In this case, it is ETA 2893/2. The movement alone is said to cost about USD150++. The price of the watch is about USD900. The price is a bit steep. I was told that I could get Hamilton Khaki GMT for less. However, I don't like the look of the Hamilton. I decided not to add this Victorinox automatic GMT to my list partly because the look is more complex and the watch draws attention to itself. The other reason is the higher price.
I found out that Victorinox actually has quite a number of beautifully and effectively designed watches. For example the "Infantry 2nd Time Zone" in the "Classic" range is a beauty [link]. This is a quartz watch that supports a 2nd time zone. The 24 hour hand can be adjusted independently of the 12 hour hand. However, the 12 hour hand can not be independently adjusted. This means it is less convenient to adjust the time when crossing time zones as you can only move the minute hand to adjust the hour. The build feels solid and the leather is thick and lush. The crystal is "hardened mineral". This material is not as hard as Sapphire. Water resistant is up to 100 meter. The price is also quite reasonable at around USD260.
Again, not much detail is given on the official Web site. I had to write in to them to enquire about the movement model. It turned out to be a Ronda 515.24H. Ronda is another Swiss movement manufacturer. From what I gathered, the cost of Ronda quartz movements range from USD10 to USD15. This watch is in my short list. If you noticed, I have been looking at mechanical watches before this. This is the first quartz watch in my list. Even if I don't get a Victorinox this time around, I will most likely get one in the future.
At this point, I'm starting to feel that I spent too much time and energy on watch hunting. It is time to make a decision. Which watch represents good value for money and looks less frugal than my USD9 Casio? Which watch is effective, reliable, and durable? In the end I chose Swatch. I changed the strap from black to embossed dark brown to get rid of the monotonous look. Besides, I really like brown leather. Also, for an ETA movement, the parts are readily available should replacement be required. It should last me for a long time if it is serviced on-time. I think this represents excellent value at the price point.
The entire Swatch package. No fancy watch box. It is the usual translucent plastic Swatch box.